Crap pay for a state that says you need to make $25,000. A year to survive in NY. And no I'm not talking about the city. above the city is a WHOLE BIG STATE. Where the capital is ALBANY NY 3 hours North of the city STILL JUST AS EXPENSIVE . but employers think $10 to $12 hr is a living . maybe for people that live with parents. No that wasn't all Canada we have been here as upstate ny for many years .