Screen with recruiter then call with hiring manager. Recruiter is knowledgeable and professional. Hiring manger doesn't seem like he has time in the day for interviews. Talked fast, and seemed to lose interest in your answer if is not a resounding "yes, I have done exactly that." Gave me the impression that they are probably too busy to train, teach and grow their people. Best if candidates come in with all experience listed because they are moving fast.